This is about the only time I've ever loved the Oscars. After having seen Michael Moore at the university a few weeks ago, I knew this was an event I couldn't miss. He kept saying "Don't let me up on that stage in March!" And now we know why.

Thanks for not copping out, Mike.

"Whoa. On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to — they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much."
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From: [identity profile] darthneko.livejournal.com


The chance of them ever letting him on the stage again is probably minimal, but damn I love that man. ^_^

From: [identity profile] damoyre.livejournal.com


ROTFL! Wow. How's that for a speech. ^_^

You'll have to tell me who else won. (No, I didn't watch. I don't do Oscars. ^_~)

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


Loved what he did!

Have you heard about censorship that doesn't allow TV to show in USA the images of wounded northamerican soldiers? It was in the news here today, and Lara posted about it in her LJ. There were some images that Al-Jazeera (sp?) TV has been showing.

From: [identity profile] butterfly-soul.livejournal.com


censorship that doesn't allow TV to show in USA the images of wounded northamerican soldiers

Do you mean the prohibition on depicting the "humiliation" of prisoners of war (such as the footage of American PoWs first braodcast by al-Jazeera, and then across Western television networks) under the Geneva Convention? Because, to myself at least, that is a 'good' sort of censorship; its purpose is to protect PoWs, not to keep people ignorant.

From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


You can protect the identity of the soldiers by blocking out their faces and garbling their voices and names. But the American people should know very well what war is like in all it's ugly facets. We're too naive here. There's never been a war fought on this land since the civil war - people are clueless as to what really goes on. So many people here believed that we'd go in and kick Saddam's ass out of Iraq in a weekend - that's not happening. It's going to be long and ugly. The people need to see what their approval of this war and our "president" is going to do to our soldiers over seas.

From: [identity profile] butterfly-soul.livejournal.com


*nod* I agree that people need to have a better understanding of what being at war really means. My concern is with the use of loaded words such as 'censorship' to describe actions intended to protect the dignity of soldiers.

As you say, steps can be taken to protect soldiers' identities, but, in the British media at least, not everyone seems responsible enough to do this. Blair appears on television, suggesting that, basically, Iraqi mistreatment of PoWs is a good example of exactly why we are at war -- "Sometimes when people ask me is it really necessary to get rid of Saddam, I say look at the things he does. Parading people in that way is contrary to the Geneva convention." -- and when the humiliation of the captured soldiers is continued by a news station, they get their wrists slapped.

From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


*nod* I agree that people need to have a better understanding of what being at war really means. My concern is with the use of loaded words such as 'censorship' to describe actions intended to protect the dignity of soldiers.

If the United States government gave a rat's ass about the men and women, they wouldn't have been sent to Iraq at all. This has very little to do with the Geneva Convention and everything to do with propoganda and not letting the American people see what's going on there. The Protests here have escalated - do you think they want the people sitting on the fence to jump over to the anti-war side? In Vietnam, the protest didn't escalate until the body bags started to pour in and people got images of what was really going on there. You take away that coverage and people feel removed from the reality of war.

As I said, if showing their faces is a concern, you can keep the identity hidden. We don't need to know who they are and where they live. But not showing this at all - that *is* censorship. That's keeping back information that we have a right to know. To think that the military is holding back on these pics for the good of those soldiers is naive and exactly what they want you to think. If *I* can think of obscuring the footage to potect the rights of the soldiers, then why couldn't they? It's in fact standard proceedure in most interviews with people you don't want their identity revealed.

From: [identity profile] butterfly-soul.livejournal.com


LJ won't let me reply to your reply because of an unclosed tag...

I'm sorry for being unclear. My position is that the footage should be shown, with steps taken to censor the identities of the soldiers. I feel this should apply to footage of both Coalition and Iraqi PoWs. I agree with your position that people should not be shielded from the horrors of war. I am against any censorship which takes place for the purpose of concealing these horrors. At the same time, I am concerned by the lack of responsibility shown by certain members of the media, the hypocrisy we are expected to view as natural and acceptable behaviour, and the attachment of a negative value to a neutral word.

Once again, I am sorry that I was not clear at first, and hope that I have managed to be more so here.

~Psyche

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


You can protect the identity of the soldiers by blocking out their faces and garbling their voices and names.

I agree, that can be done, but we all saw their faces down here. Many times. The rest of the world saw them too.

From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


That's fine - my comment was toward those who oppose the identity being revealed. You can both protect the identity and show the footage to avoid censorship. The US government didn't even contemplate that option.

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


(nodding) They just didn't really do it to protect those soldiers. I agree you say in the comments above about not letting the people know what's going on in the war.

I also saw images of US soldiers being brought to Germany. Some were seriously wounded. Also I have heard repeatedly that the British plane lost in the area could have been hit by mistake by a US patriot missile. That is not certain yet, though.

From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


I think that was confirmed yesterday. They did report on that here. They were saying there was a problem with the code encryption that lets the missle know it's a friendly aircraft.

From: [identity profile] wiebke.livejournal.com


i have noticed that it is damn near impossible to find any pictures of iraqis, civilian or soldier, esp. anyone wounded. the local paper did a photo essay showing it yesterday but it's not on their web site. last night i spent about a half hour trying to find something, anything, showing iraqis but nope, it's not findable.

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


But I can imagine they won't show Iraqis either. We saw some Iraqis on TV here, talking with US soldiers and looking calm. We also saw wounded and dead Iraqis. And of course, some Iraqis surrendering to the US troops. The question is if those are images from this war or not. Anyway, I had no idea we were having all that information while the US TV was not passing it.

From: [identity profile] wiebke.livejournal.com

Re:


I have noticed considerable difference in coverage interenationally, which is a given but still, some of it's quite striking.

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


I'd say the countries on war should have better information than the rest of the world, but governments tend to disagree.

From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


Yeah, I heard that was very sadly happening. I'm going to surf the net and see if I can come up with some links. As I answered below, I believe the American people should be required to see these images. . .

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


Of course they should see those images. There is no good censorship. War kills people and prisoners are taken, and people die.

I heard the CNN spokesman the other day telling what he believed a "cute story": He said the boys - USA soldiers - were disappointed because they advanced through the desert and found no one to fight them, or no Iraq inhabitants thanking them for saving them. Then one of the soldiers saw something ahead and prepared for war and it was a Bedouin family with some goats. When they met the Bedouins the soldiers found they didn't care about Hussein. So the boys were disappointed.

I cannot understand where is the "cuteness" in that tale...


From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


Yeah, CNN has some rather clueless reporters. Last night Gen. Wesley Clark was talking about Sun Tzu and the reporter hadn't a clue of who he was talking about.

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


(nod) I think I heard that too. I've been watching CNN on cable TV, both the US one and the one for Latin America. There is more information in the second one. We get the al-Jazeera images and many others coming from Europe on the local TV.

From: [identity profile] catscradle.livejournal.com


I found that out when CNN Japan had an article on the man that was sentenced to about 40 years in prison for telling a joke about Bush at a local bar. Its was in reference to a "burning bush" - he was making a bible pun. There was no other evidence against him other than the words of that joke. Only media here that ran the story were independent media and some local papers. And CNN Japan. Be interested to know why CNN US didn't run the story. . .

From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com


You know, we always watch international news when we think the government might believe they have a reason for censorship. It's a very good practice.

From: [identity profile] butterfly-soul.livejournal.com


I actually find Michael Moore slightly -- for want of a better word -- scary. Of course, what he is doing -- making it very clear that there are people who are upset with the current state of affairs; that we have not been defeated; that we are not just going to shut up -- is something that is greatly needed. But, I suppose at my core, I still feel unhappy with the fact that it is needed; I wish these things could be sorted out over a nice, polite debate, and a pot of tea. ^^;;

From: [identity profile] damoyre.livejournal.com


In an ideal world, problems would be sorted out over a cup of tea. But we don't live in that place... and probably never will.

From: [identity profile] butterfly-soul.livejournal.com


Yeah, I know. I just get nervous when people start shouting. *hides*
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